We say, however, that this is a false dilemma. There is no injustice in there being but One through whom salvation may come, when that One and His salvation are offered to every soul, without exception. We need not tamper with the doctrine or temper the good news of Christ. Because we believe that Jesus Christ is the Redeemer, we also accept His authority to establish the conditions by which we may receive His grace.
Otherwise we would not concern ourselves with being baptized for the dead. There are no exceptions granted; none are needed. Our work for the dead bears witness that Jesus Christ will come again to this earth. It is the baptism for the dead. We are anxiously about the task of searching out our fathers and mothers of generations past and binding them to us and us to them. Is not this the strongest possible evidence of our conviction that Jesus Christ will come again to reign upon the earth? We know He will, and we know what He expects we will have done in preparation for His return. In the scriptures, the spirits of the dead are sometimes referred to as being in darkness or in prison.
Let the earth break forth into singing. Let the dead speak forth anthems of eternal praise to the King Immanuel, who hath ordained, before the world was, that which would enable us to redeem them out of their prison; for the prisoners shall go free. Our charge extends as far and as deep as the love of God to encompass His children of every time and place. Our efforts on behalf of the dead bear eloquent witness that Jesus Christ is the divine Redeemer of all mankind.
His grace and promises reach even those who in life do not find Him. Because of Him, the prisoners shall indeed go free. In the name of Jesus Christ, amen. Matthew ESV Truly, I say to you, it will be more bearable on the day of judgment for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah than for that town. Jesus said that the Day of Judgment for Sodom and Gomorrah is still future, but those people died about 4, years ago. It is obvious that after they died they were not judged, but still await the resurrection and Judgment along with everyone else who has died.
The verses on the coming Day of Judgment are too many to print in this short article, but some clear ones that show that it is future include: Matthew and 24, ; 2 Pet. Matthew and 42 ESV 41 The men of Nineveh will rise up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it, for they repented at the preaching of Jonah, and behold, something greater than Jonah is here. In these verses Jesus makes the general point that people will get up in the future at the Judgment. He was not being specific about the two resurrections he was clear about them in other places , nor was he trying to justify or condemn any one person, but was showing that in the resurrection, when everyone gets up, they will together condemn those who rejected Jesus.
All the dead will be raised and judged at the same time, in the judgment appropriate to them. The angels will come out and separate the evil from the righteous 50 and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Jesus taught a similar lesson in the parable of the weeds of the field Matt. Matthew ESV For the Son of Man is going to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay each person according to what he has done.
People are repaid for what they have done in life when Jesus comes and they are raised from the dead, not when they die. Every person who has ever lived will be judged by the Son, which will occur in the future. Before Jesus died and rose again, these words could not be fulfilled. John and 29 ESV 28 Do not marvel at this, for an hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice 29 and come out, those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment. Acts ESV because he has fixed a day on which he will judge the world in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed; and of this he has given assurance to all by raising him from the dead.
Is it not you? The Greek text of this verse is very clear that the Judgment is coming in the future. Hebrews and 2 ESV 1 Therefore let us leave the elementary doctrine of Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, 2 and of instruction about washings, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment. Jude ESV And the angels who did not stay within their own position of authority, but left their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains under gloomy darkness until the judgment of the great day—.
Some of the angels fallen angels, which we sometimes refer to as demons sinned so grievously that God is not allowing them to be free, but instead is keeping them in chains until the Day of Judgment. Thus, even angels are not judged immediately, but await Judgment Day.
Another verse saying some angels are awaiting the Judgment is 2 Peter We have now seen a large amount of Scriptural evidence that those who have died are not alive, but are dead and awaiting the resurrection. On the other hand, the Devil has a vested interest in getting people to believe that the dead are alive. For one thing, it allows his demons to impersonate the dead and communicate untruths to mankind. For another, it makes the stark reality of death seem less of an enemy than it actually is.
The stark reality is that dead people are dead, and that death is a terrible, horrific enemy, stealing our most valuable possession—our very life. The great comfort to Christians is that death is not the end of our existence, because God will raise us from the dead in new, imperishable bodies, and we will be with Him and the Lord forever. Does one die and the other provide the life for the new individual, or do the soul life of the egg and sperm somehow blend? We do not know. The measure of holy spirit that any Christian receives is the fullness of what God makes available in this Grace Administration.
Also, in this short article we do not mention all the different Judgments, such as the Sheep and Goat Judgment Matt. All rights reserved. It appears in red letters in most versions, but should not be. It was not spoken by Jesus, but narrated by John. It seems likely that as the tradition developed that it was Jesus who had spoken these words, the last phrase was dropped by copyists, because it made no sense to them that Jesus could be on earth speaking with Nicodemus and in heaven at the same time.
Most modern versions translate the verse in its shorter version, because that seems to make the most sense to them also. Bullinger has some good notes about this section in The Companion Bible. I love the way you updated this site! It mad me so easy to find articles. I love to translate these short articles in Korean language and every time I do I keep en English copy in my persona file. Again I said this arrangement made my work some much easier. I have been thinking a lot about this topic of late and it makes sense because why else,would people be longing for the resurrection.
My question, though I have not finished your article yet, is what about the martyrs under the throne of G or mentioned in Revelation? Thank you. Jesus himself said humanity will always see things that are spirtual as in a fog. WE will never know the truth until Christ return and we were not meant to. God did not say for us to not to believe in Heaven after death, nor did he tell us not to teach hell after death.
What difference does it make for a believer in Jesus to die thinking they will go straight to Heaven? I believe it is one of the reasons Christians should not fear death. I really do not care if this is true or not, just the fact that as a believer in Christ will allow me entrance into Heavens whenever is good enought for me.
It did not take me long after I started reading your article that my spirit became sad. I teach my children that if they except Christ as the Son of God and that he died and rose again so their sins will be forgiven they will go to Heaven when they die. There is a reason God revealed the truth concerning death, and life after death.
Make no mistake, lies always have negative consequences, whereas there is always freedom in truth. I understand that many people find it comforting to believe the lie about heaven being available now, but it comes at the price of people being lead astray by deceiving spirits.
Many Christians I know who believe this lie pray regularly to their departed loved ones, and look to signs and communication from them. I have always taught my children all 7 of them the truth about death and we all find it just as comforting to know that when we die we are dead, and the very first thing we will know is being raised to be with Christ. This is biblical and there is no unintended negative consequences from teaching it, because it is the truth.
Remember, WE added the punctuation to help us after AD. He told Mary three days after that — John 20 that he had not yet ascended to the Father. Jesus is not wrong. I like this comment. Simply put it makes a lot of difference if it is not Biblical. You have to take into account that in death there is no time frame. So with that said when we die there are a lot of things we stop one surely is keeping track of time, it might just be us as soon as we die we are present with God because time will be nothing to us in death. It is not like you are waiting around for a clock to sound an alarm, you will be asleep.
Gary, that is true. When a person dies their entire consciousness stops. They have no experience of time. So as a person closes his eyes and takes his or her last breath, the very next moment in time , from their perspective, is that they are raised and with the Lord. KJV is actually not a completely accurate translation. Just look at Hosea — The KJV has the complete incorrect meaning, going against what the verses before and after it say. It literally makes no sense to read it. While some modern translations are indeed worse than KJV — there are now much closer to the original Hebrew and Greek translations with much more accuracy.
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I have been bothered by this as well. Maybe if we are just sleeping it wont be as any time passed. We just wake up like it is the next day even though maybe 50 years have passed while we were just sleeping…like Rip van Winkle kind of thing.
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I agree with you, I dont care if we are sleeping or in Glory. I know that is my final home and it does my soul well to claim that as my immediate home after death and teach my children the same! Wonderful items from you, man. You are making it entertaining and you continue to care for to keep it sensible. This is actually a great website. Where does the story of Lazarus and the rich man fit in? I apologize if this was already addressed, I skimmed over the article rather quickly here at work and has proved to spark a very thoughtful, provocative conversation amongst coworkers.
When he made up a story about the Good samaritan was he being deceitful because the men did not actually exist? HE was making a point and the details of the story do not need to be true in fact for the point to be made! After all, on that day Jesus was dead and in the grave, not in prardise.
It is a reference to a future event, and the use of today was to add emphasis on the words he spoke on that day. All of these verses refrence the body being ressurected. Nowhere do these scripture give reference to our spirit which goes to heaven to be with our Lord at the very instance we die. The other thing to note is that heaven is not paradise. Why would it take being absent from the body of Christ to be present with Him? How could you get anything else out of it?
How do you explain Isaiah ? Isa NIV or Ezekiel 37? Hi there, yup this paragraph is truly nice and I have learned lot of things from it about blogging. Jimmy, no misdirection intended. Yes, there are no commas in Greek, but there is punctuation in English and they make a huge difference for us in the understanding conveyed in a translation. The understanding of Jesus statement must be understood in light of the whole of scripture, which clearly teaches that when you die you are dead, which is why there is a resurrection. Actually, the Bible never says that.
That is very much twisting it to fit a meaning. I mean, you even cut off half of the verse to fit your narrative. Please re-read it. Thank you many people sat that when someone dies they go straight to heaven which is not real. Thank God for your articles. As we all know but often hate to admit, a popular viewpoint or opinion is not always correct. Thank you for pointing out clearly what most of us do not want to think about. At present, our personal accountability is something that is easier to overlook than address, but we will all have to face the music.
At that time, may God be merciful to us all and forgive us for being wilfully being ignorant in this life. Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. I enjoy the audio cd teachings, books and other items you offer.
Thanks and God Bless. Thanks for this article. God bless us all. Great Article, you nailed it. I have also done a study on this on my website and came to the same conclusion, but with not as many scriptures as you have here. When Christ who is your life appears then you also will appear with him in glory. God instituted it immediately after Adam and Eve sinned Gen It is also the basis for the Levitical Laws of sacrifice Ex ; Num. Thanks so much for this. I was filled with a hope as I was reading this. A light. I am reading a lot of articles on your site, but this was the first.
I confused you by this other comment. What I mean is there are many books out of people who have died and claimed they saw loved ones and a white light and a sense of peace. Is this all of Satan? Jody, Thanks for the question. People may also have had a spiritual revelation via God, or from demons. But the experiences do not invalidate the clear teaching of scripture. That was so Accurate… I learned exactly what you taught in the way international! Thank you for sharing the Word of God.
When people talk about seeing Jesus, Heaven, or Hell during near-death experiences, are they having revelations of future events? Thank you for the very detailed and clear backed-up by Scripture explanation. After we buried our grandmother, I was walking down the graveyard with my aunt who is a Christian and reads the bible daily, she pointed out the fact that all of the graves were pointed in a certain direction, west or east I cant remember which, but she was talking about how that was done on purpose because when Christ comes back, the body in the grave is risen during the rapture?
I just understood that to mean that the spirit will be in heaven after death but that we would get a different type of body after resurrection. Now it looks like that was untrue but that we are neither in spirit or a physical body in heaven afterward but a time and space of nothingness until the resurrection? I have heard of this doctrine before but rarely do you ever hear about this being preached??? So we can rise up and see Him. You fail to explain how and why Jesus would tell the thief on the cross that Todsy you will be with me in Paradise. Was this thief given special dispensation???
You are misreading Jesus statement because of the punctuation that was added. Consider changing the location of the coma and you get an entirely different meaning, one that is consistent with the testimony of the rest of Scripture on the state of the dead. It is a promise of a future event. Vogel, and that translations say that because the translators translated according to their bias, which is that when you die you are alive. But that is contrary to what the Bible says. There is none that praise God from the grave shoel. How were Elijah and Moses present with Jesus at the Transfiguration if they had not been yet resurrected?
It may be that there are some who who are already resurrected. But how do you reconcile Jesus speaking with Moses and Elijah before the crucifixion? And Elijah was taken to heaven in a whirlwind. And the saints ask the Lord, how long must we wait? Hebrews says that all these included in the list is Moses and Elijah died. The prophets saw Elijah taken up in a whirlwind to heaven, meaning in the air above the earth. God transported him to another place where he died, which is why they wanted to go searching for him. Moses dies too,a nd when you die you are dead until the resurrection.
What happened on the Mt. Jimmy, that is true, but he Bible says in Hebrews that all those listed died,a nd Elijah is included in that list. Hi James, 2 Chronicles has been confusing to many because it does make it appear as though Elijah sent a letter ten years after he was translated. Since he was translated during the reign of Jehoram of Israel, it makes sense that he could have sent the letter to Jehoram of Judah.
The confusion is simple, same name but different people. Elijah is not on that list. With regards to Heb These all died in faith, not having received the promises , the context is related to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Its false reasoning to think the list is meant as a complete identification of all who have died, especially since the the Bible still clearly teaches that when we die, we are dead, and will remain so until we are raised at the ressurection.
Yes, the dead are dead until the resurrection to Life. All who dwell in the world of death are dead and know nothing. Adam mankind died when he was cast out of the land of the living. That is when the Resurrection occurs. It also says that Moses and Elijah were taken up into heaven and appeared with Jesus at the Transfiguration. It implies that Enoch was taken into heaven by God without knowing death. Catholic doctrine declares that Mary the mother of Jesus was also taken into heaven, although there is no Biblical support for this.
If you are correct in your interpretation of Scripture then heaven currently has only 4 or 5 people inhabiting it with God and the angels. Sorry Rev. David, but you are misquoting the Bible. Of course. Otherwise those who died in a fire would be in tough place when it comes to the resurrection. Its genuinely awesome paragraph, I have got much clear idea about from this piece of writing. You guys are right on the money. I wish I had heard about you before.
Do u have any fellowships or gatherings in or around Phx Ariz? I enjoyed the article and have always held firm to these truths. Unfortunately, I came across this because I have lately been in a disagreement with my local pasture A man for whom I have the upmost respect and appreciation. I was looking for all the scriptures to base my doctrinal theory. I only have one question. The one scripture that has always been used in opposition is Luke I will stay with the bright light path and let you believe you will be laying in a whole and that is the end of things until the resurrection.
Add a comma, as it should be, and you get the correct emphasis he was placing on his words, and a promise that the thief would one day be with him. If what the Bible says is true, that those who believe in Jesus will be resurrected, where are all those people going to fit on Earth? Billions of people have died before us and many more will die after us. The Earth cannot physically hold every single believer up to this point and beyond.
The reality is that the historical numbers of people through antiquity who have believed in Jesus, or who have lived righteously, is not really Billions and Billions of popped. At the present time we have 7 billion people on this planet and we are not anywhere near running out of room. OF the 2. If we add up all of those from the first century church to today we would probably have less than 2 billion people, a number far less than are even alive on the Earth today.
Thank you for taking the time to teach this. I also thought why are we going to church on Sunday when Jesus went on Sabbath which is Saturday. Funny as a small child I knew more than most adults. Of course now as an adult I do go to church on Sabbath. For those who are still confused about whether or not the Dead immediately enter heaven or hell you need to take into consideration what the word CLEARLY says.
Among them in 1st Thess. So shall we ever be with the Lord. Often times cutting into sentences, restructuring paragraphs, and even changing books mid paragraph. So it is entirely possible that the comma was in fact placed wrongly. This can also be explained by the fact that Jesus , once he gave up the ghost, did NOT go directly to heaven upon his death.
As prophesied, he was buried in the earth for three days and nights. THEN he was Ressurected, and walked the earth again reassuring his disciples that he was indeed the Messiah that God had foretold of. During that time Jesus was teaching his disciples what THEY needed to be preparing for on what would become known as the day of pentecost. He was talking about a future time. Eric, people commonly quote those sections of Paul in an attempt to disprove that the dead are alive.
It was his preference to be with jesus, compared to being in this world, which is all of our preferences too. No, not likely. We believe the KJV has it properly translated. It was a vision, not literal physical presence of the individuals. KJV Matthew And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no ma n, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead.
Mat KJV. You are right in that Sheol is a resting place for the dead. When the Hebrew was translated into Greek, they used the word Hades for Sheol. In Greek, Hades was the land of the dead. Notice how Sheol is only mentioned in the Old Testament. In the new, there is no mentioning of it or anything relating to it. This is because Sheol was the place for the dead before Jesus died on the cross, and paid our ransom.
Before this happened, everyone went there, the holy and the unholy.
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In the new testament it has changed, as shown in the story of Lazarus in Luke There is a split in what was once Sheol Hades as said in Luke 16 , and there was then a place of torture where Lazarus went for the unholy, and Paradise where Abraham and the beggar went. There is also a great chasm between the two which separates them. When Jesus died for our sins and paid our debt, that was the main event. The holy people in the Paradise or what was once Sheol were sent to heaven to be with God, as evidenced by Matthew where the dead rose after Jesus died.
There is no Sheol now, no place where we wait. Those who do not live by Christ go to Hades with the other unbelievers, and at the end of time will be set before the white throne to be cast into the lake of fire as it says in Revelation For non-believers, there is Hades, which is essentially Hell, or torment. That is what I believe and what many others I know have found through scripture. But, I am always open to other views and to any wisdom I can find. Please let me know what you think!
They are two entirely different languages. Also, there is no need for God to reconfirm every truth in the NT when it is so clearly established in the NT. It makes no difference it one is buried or burned cremated. All our bodies return to dust and at the resurrection we are given new bodies. Since Christ ascended his followers have been dying for 2, years so it can mean physical death. And there is nothing to modify the truth of the OT concerning the nature of shoel Hebrew for grave. The dead are dead and he will raise them when He returns.
I and my daughter are currently looking for a church and I would like to go to worship some where that have the same views as this article, I always believe that the dead is dead until the rapture, or resurrection, I do not like the teaching that we are judge when we die, but too many churches around here keep teaching this lie, but the Bible teach differently, can you help me find a church that teach the truth.
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Here is a link to the listing of the churches and fellowships affiliated with us. Thank you, I already see two churches in the area, do you have a church maybe in the Douglasville area or Paulding County. Here is a link to all the churches and fellowships we know of that are affiliated with us. Thank you! Samuel, Well we never expected that all would agree. God bless you. And Romans , for Christ died and rose to life in order to be the lord of the living and of the dead.
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That tells you that Christ as the supreme King has stake in both worlds and therefore purgatory Exists for cleansing your souls for forgivable sins Mathew Samuel, how do you get that purgatory exists from that verse? Christ is truly King of all, both the living and the dead, which is how he can raise the dead. But make no mistake here, the dead are dead, which is why they need a resurrection. Therefore we could possibly be in heaven at the same time we are here, or dead. Just like the laws of physics change on the quantum level, without time, everything changes. Hi Jerry, seriously?
How can someone be in heaven and dead at the same time. If words have any true meaning then what you are saying is completely contradictory. When you die you are dead. That is clearly what the OT teaches. As a Catholic, I am constantly reminded to pray for the dead?
Why would they need our prayers if they are asleep in the grave? I was taught to pray for those who have died to lessen their time in purgatory. How can they be in purgatory if their souls are dead? The dead are dead and there is no biblical basis for the Catholic tradition of purgatory. I say to you today, you will be in Paradise. Not, today you will be in paradise. They have made too many changes to suit the times.
I want the oldest version that is Readable. There is only one KJV ever made, and it was done in There is no KJV other than that. I really appreciate everyone for these thoughtful expressions. Especially Bro. Gallagher who painstakingly attempted virtually every question. All of you are talking about same thing to me, just that, one is saying, it occurs almost immediately after death, and another is talking of the future.
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From what i understand, you all believed LIFE after death. Time and space is immaterial with God, when we die, the body goes to the dust from which it was made, but, the spirit goes to God who owns it. The questions you should ask your self is; where is God? Where is heaven? There are too many mysteries behind our lives. There is heaven and hell. The bible say so. But, Bro. Galla said something about sinners been burnt up at once? Did I hear you right sir? Please explain. Those who died in faith of the resurrected Christ to be rewarded with crown of life and sinner condemned to eternal suffering.
God is too big to be literally understood. Do good, live for Jesus and obey His provisions for salvation then wait for promised life after death. Which kind of body God will give at resurrection is His prerogative. God bless. Thank you Williams. Yes, we believe that Hell is not a place of eternal torment, but a place of annihilation as the Lake of Fire Rev where people are forever destroyed and cease to exist. The Abyss mentioned in revelation is not the Lake of Fire. It is a prison like place where some disobedient spirits now reside. It is also where the Devil will be cast for 1, years.
The scripture does say that Satan will burn forever but that he will burn for a long time because, wee believe, it will take a long time, but not eternity, for him to be destroyed.
Those who are cast into the lake of fire are destroyed, burned up. There are many good resources out there if you want to know more about how to properly understand hell and the Lake of Fire. Thank you Mary Beth, but what is your point? So now you have a conflict and also you contradict the entire teaching of the OT that when a person dies they are dead, ceasing to exist until God raises them from the dead at the resurrection.
Change the comma to after today, which makes it an emphatic statement emphasizing the promise to the criminal, and your scriptures are all consistent. At that time, they will be annihilated in Hell, not tormented, which would be what they wanted anyway when they committed suicide. Your proposition makes it appear that if someone that has accepted Christ as their Lord according to Romans ,10 commits the sin of suicide that the blood of Christ is not big enough to save them from everlasting destruction.
Is it a sin? Yes, I believe it is. They will be saved, and rewarded according to their actions. Good and interesting replies from Dan Gallagher. I am impressed, I must say.